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ssdevious 4th January 2012 12:34 AM

Loading Subtitles & Maximizing Causes Terrible Screen Lags
 
Hello,

I'm very sorry for bothering your support, but I'm in a need of urgent help.

After BS Player kept reminding me for more then a half a year that I should upgrade to a newer version, I couldn't resist anymore and I did it. The result is why I'm typing this message.

I start playing an .mkv, everything is fine as long as it's small window, 400 x 200 px, but then I load subtitles, maximize it and after 3 or 4 seconds, the screen gets some seizure, while being caught in a loop or it isn't actually a loop, it is moving forward, but like 2 or 3 frames forward, then it goes 2 frames backwards, it's really crazy, the sound does the same, only subtitles are more or less working.

Please, I will be grateful for any help provided.

Thank you.

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 4th January 2012 01:44 AM

Apologies for a double post, but...

I found out, it might be related to video rendering option called "EVR", when I disable it, it no longer lags, however:

A) video is simply a crap, it's 720p rip, after switching from "EVR" to different render, it's like 640x320 crappy DVDrip

B) subtitles have this awful black contour around it, it just looks terrible

So, is there a better solution to this than uninstalling BS Player? I kind of like your software, it's really good one, but how come that some 1 year old version works better than the current one? I mean, I was using 2.57 I think, it was working just nicely on Windows 7, so how come, a newer version suffers from such handicap and literally kills the experience for all Aero users and let's be honest, 99,9% Vista and Windows 7 users started using it just because of those fancy new graphics.

1) Is there a solution, some codec pack or anything?

2) Is PRO version having same issues?

3) Can this be dealt with otherwise?

Please, let me know. I don't mind buying the PRO one or sponsoring your site or anything, I just want to cross this problem out of my to-do list and move on.

Best Regards,
tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 4th January 2012 12:15 PM

Please, any suggestions?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

BSPeter 4th January 2012 03:31 PM

I suppose you're presently using version/build nr 2.6.1.1065.
Also suppose you're using either Vista or Win7.
It appears you switched from EVR-renderer to ... another renderer (but fail to mention which one)?
Probably (also in view of your remark re Aero) you switched to "internal renderer (overlay)" or ...?
In this connection please read this post by Ico-man.
You mention that subtitles "have this awful black contour around it".
Do you mean a black background? Or are the subs in an outline font? You can set/select this under
rightclick > Options > Preferences > Subtitles [Subtitle properties].
In that same window:
is "Use anti-aliased font" selected?
is "Use new subtitle parser/renderer" selected?
:wink:
P.S.:
A codec-pack surely is NOT a good idea!
I suppose you allowed BS.Player (when you installed it) to also internally install its preferred codecs/filters? (Note internally meaning: for use by BS.Player only and not interfering with your systems codecs/filters)?
Maybe let us know which filters/codecs BS.Player is actually using when playing a problematic video file.
To see these filters/codecs: rightclick>Options>Filters>Advanced.
Then click on "Source" and on the small [+]-signs in front of the filters/codecs shown to reveal further info and access.
(Are you sure you're born on 01 Jan 1938?)

adicoto 4th January 2012 04:07 PM

Something like:

Official BS.Player forums

http://forum.bsplayer.com/feature-re...bs-player.html

Is it VMR9 renderless ?

ssdevious 4th January 2012 06:42 PM

Thank you Peter!

1) Yes, I'm using the current version. Interesting / weird thing is that my old version (2.57 I believe, plus it was some BETA..) never had such issues. But yes, atm. I'm using 2.61 1065.

2) Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.

3) EVR: I found somewhere that the EVR might be causing this, so I switched, one by one, to all other available alternatives and one was worse than another. One killed my Aero, another most likely kept Aero on, but the video (720p rip) looked really rubbish, plus the subtitles looked awful, in EVR the subs had just a tiny black contour around it, very thin and very sharp, but with any other renderer it looked really terrible, certainly no-go way.

I will try the "New Subtitles Parser", the other one ("Anti-Aliased") was already on. And read that other post.

Certainly this is no FREE version limitation? It's all .mkv doing the same, I haven't tested on .avi or others, because I frankly have no idea, where to get an .avi video atm., all movies are in .mkv these days, 720p and 1080p rips, unless it's full untouched BluRay.

Thank you a lot for your assistance, I really appreciate it.

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 4th January 2012 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto (Beitrag 49267)

Not precisely. The quality more or less remains unchanged, but it's something like 1 FPS, plus terribly fitful video, after 5 or 6 seconds, it's about to cause you a terrible eyesore.

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

adicoto 4th January 2012 07:09 PM

Just tested an MKV file. Strange thing.I personally prefer internal renderer because, IMHO, on my computers works the best. So, I've swiched to EVR to see and stumbled uppon 2 interesting things.
1. having external RAR/IDX files, BSPlayer play the file with stuttering. (same file, previous build worked OK)
2. Using an external .srt file, it works OK
3. I don't have ATM an MKV with internal subtitles to test how it works.

4. Frame rate reported when playing the file....59,94 fps. :eek::bug: File is certainly 29,97
5. After swiching back to internal renderer....29,97 fps.

Something is wrong here.

Using Gabest MKV, CoreAVC, AC3filter

adicoto 4th January 2012 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdevious (Beitrag 49275)
Not precisely. The quality more or less remains unchanged, but it's something like 1 FPS, plus terribly fitful video, after 5 or 6 seconds, it's about to cause you a terrible eyesore.

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

I was refering strictly at the image with the black border.

ssdevious 4th January 2012 08:14 PM

Internal renderers kills the Aero for me, it's mentioned in that topic Peter linked before. Some support guy explains in that topic that internal renderers are technically incompatible with Aero and that we should stick to EVR.

From what I've experienced, it's either EVR or nothing, because the other render settings looks even more weird to me and that Aero switch glitch, for someone who watches one movies a week, fine, but for someone, who watches a dozen videos daily, it's another eye killer, e.g. go basic display -> Aero -> basic -> Aero with each BS Player ON / OFF.

Probably, there might be a way, what Peter suggested, exploring what codecs or similar stuff are used during the play and analyze that.

FILTERS (playing .mkv):

Code:

AsyncClock
Default DirectSound Device
Video Renderer
Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder
Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder
Source

-> This is what I see, when I open the "Options" - "Filters" - "Advanced".

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

adicoto 4th January 2012 08:19 PM

A, ok. Look, Microsoft's codec is a total failure (Microsoft DTV-DVD ). Try to install ffdshow or CoreAVC. Problem should be fixed.

PS: I know that internal renderer kills Aero, but I'm OK with that. I personally don't need Aero while whatching a movie. And...there is an option to re-enable Aero only when closing BSPlayer, so if you play 2-3 files you get only 2 flickers, at begining of first video file and when closing BSPlayer.

ssdevious 4th January 2012 08:21 PM

Yeah, that's all right. I mean, you don't need Aero, while in full-screen mode, but the swaps are hurting,...

Anyway, should I randomly Google those codecs or is there any specific recommended place to get them?

Thanks,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

adicoto 4th January 2012 08:23 PM

You can install ffdshow using codecmanager.exe from BSPlayer's install folder or you can go here:

Free-Codecs.com : Download FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-12-27, FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-11-29 and FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-12-27 x64 : FFDSHOW is a DirectShow decoding filter

you will also need an MKV splitter (that you probably have installed - Haali or Gabest)

ssdevious 4th January 2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto (Beitrag 49284)
You can install ffdshow using codecmanager.exe from BSPlayer's install folder or you can go here:

Free-Codecs.com : Download FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-12-27, FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-11-29 and FFDShow MPEG-4 Video Decoder 2011-12-27 x64 : FFDSHOW is a DirectShow decoding filter

you will also need an MKV splitter (that you probably have installed - Haali or Gabest)

I will try this one, thanks. However, I think BS Player installs it during its own installation.

Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 4th January 2012 08:50 PM

1 thing actually improved, I have my sound back, but the video is still choppy, when maximized and with external subtitles loaded in.

Funny thing, a friend of mine, who has also these problems, but unlike me, he keeps old releases of software sent me his 2.43 and it works just fine with EVR, etc.

What was so radical that changed between these versions? I mean, there's a lot of stuff which changes I guess, but I believe the last version working fine for me was 2.57, then just something went wrong.

Any guesses? Or should I try to browse for more codes, perhaps focus on those, which goes for .mkv, I also don't want to screw up my PC more then necessary.

Thanks,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 5th January 2012 12:08 AM

Apologies to bother again, I probably ought to go PRO and get the premium support anyway, I know this is for free and I very appreciate your attitude and interest trying to help me out.

:::THINGS WE KNOW SO FAR:::

I've reinstalled the BS Player, all codecs and stuff and after I made it even worse during this whole procedure, I'm back at square one, which is actually a good thing.

1) 2.61 1065 works FINE, when an .mkv is opened in small window.

2) 2.61 1065 works FINE, when an .mkv is opened and maximized.

3) When external (.srt / .sub) subtitles are loaded into the movie, it causes the choppy screen glitch. Every new scene or every 3 or 4 seconds, it somewhat pauses itself, plays the same frame over like 20 or 30 times, but very, very fast, like 2 or 3 secs., then it goes on for another 4 or 5 seconds normally, stops again, replays the current frame very, very fast around 20 or 30 times, then moves on again.

:::FEW QUESTIONS:::

1. It apparently installed all the necessary codecs, but when I check filters, it seems that it's not using them. How can I select, which codec it will use or is it even possible?

2. How can I check all my codecs on PC?

3. When I go to the preferences, there's "General", "Video" and "Audio" and others. In the "Video" tab, there is 2x "DivX" and "FFD" and all are non-clickable, I cannot click on those, is it good or bad?

4. PRO version has better codecs or the difference is just between those YouTube functions and some other stuff?

Thank you very much. BS Player is the best!

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

adicoto 5th January 2012 06:33 AM

FEW ANSWERS:

1. and 2. In BSPlayer's options, there is "filter management". In there you can see ALL filters installed on your computer and also you can blacklist filter you don't want BSPlayer to use.

3. Those options are a legacy of old BSPlayers and the functions are available only when DivX3.11, DivX 4 or ffdshow are loaded by BSPlayer while playing a video file.

4. Yes, difference is only in DVD, YouTube and other stuff.

FEW QUESTIONS:

1. Which filters are used now to play the MKVs ?

2. Can you do one more test ? Uninstall all codecs installed by BSPlayer, except for Haali and AC3filter. Install CoreAVC and CoreAAC. Play an MKV and post here which filters are used to play the file.

ssdevious 5th January 2012 08:27 AM

Will try later today, thanks so far. Appreciate your help!

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 5th January 2012 09:22 AM

1. Microsoft's DTV-DVD Audio and Video decoders.

2. How do I do that? I know, it's a dumb question, but codecs overall don't have an uninstall button, so shall I use some manager or search & manual Del.?

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

ssdevious 5th January 2012 09:26 AM

And 3rd in row.., sorry..

I googled AVC and it seems, it's paid one, is that correct? Any free alternative? Please link.

Concerning AAC, I found one on free-codecs.com, but it's from 2006, is it even safe to be getting that one?

Thanks,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

adicoto 5th January 2012 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdevious (Beitrag 49338)
1. Microsoft's DTV-DVD Audio and Video decoders.

2. How do I do that? I know, it's a dumb question, but codecs overall don't have an uninstall button, so shall I use some manager or search & manual Del.?

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x


Go to BSPlayer's install folder and run codecmanager.exe. Check the filters you want to uninstall and hit "uninstall" button

adicoto 5th January 2012 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdevious (Beitrag 49339)
And 3rd in row.., sorry..

I googled AVC and it seems, it's paid one, is that correct? Any free alternative? Please link.

Concerning AAC, I found one on free-codecs.com, but it's from 2006, is it even safe to be getting that one?

Thanks,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x


2006 AAC filter is ok. I am using an 2004 version with no problems.
You can download CoreAVC trial version for two weeks IIRC. Other option for AVC is ffdshow.
You can blacklist microsoft's DTV-DVD going to filter management -> blacklist - > add

ssdevious 5th January 2012 08:30 PM

Good news, I've finally made some progress. FFDSHOW is now installed, loaded and is running, during the .mkv is playing, however, still choppy, screen somewhat paused for 4 secs, then it jumps forward and again, BUT THIS IS HAPPENING ONLY AFTER I LOAD EXTERNAL .srt / .sub and MAXIMIZE to FULL SCREEN.

I installed that 2006 AAC (quick 2 secs. installation), but failed to find this one in the codec manager, neither is it loaded.

What should be the next move? :boy_hug:

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

BSPeter 5th January 2012 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdevious (Beitrag 49398)
....I installed that 2006 AAC (quick 2 secs. installation), but failed to find this one in the codec manager, neither is it loaded.....~tEh'Pâr4d0x

Please note BS.Player accompanying program codecmanager.exe only concerns and deals with BS.Player's preferred filters/codecs, so other codecs/filters like CoreAAC will not show up in it.
You should however be able to find CoreAAC using BS.Player's in-built function Filter management.
Please note codecmanager.exe and BS.Player's Filter management are two separate and different things, as also mentioned by me in this post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by BSPeter (Beitrag 47282)
If BS.Player's accompanying program "codecmanager.exe" finds some of its preferred codecs/filters are already installed on your system, it will not also install them locally as BS.Player will then use the system's filters/codecs.
If you want to know which filters/codecs BS.Player is actually using for playback of any specific file, just load that file and then look under
(rightclick >) Options > Filters > Advanced
There you will be able to find the codecs/filters which are actually used by BS.Player for that specific file.
When you click on the small [+]-signs in front of the filters/codecs shown, further information (and access) to those filters becomes accessible.
(Note: do not forget to also click on "source", as that may reveal usefull info too).
:wink:
Note: codecmanager.exe and BS.Player's "Filter management" (under rightclick > Options > Preferences > Filter management) are two separate things. The first is an auxiliary program to check if BS.Player's preferred codecs/filters are installed and up-to-date (and if not installed it will install 'internally' if permitted by you and/or if not up-to-date it will show you). The second one is BS.Player's in-built filtermanager, allowing you to e.g. change filter-priority or to blacklist certain (system's) filters for use by BS.Player (e.g. if that filter causes problems). When a filter is blacklisted by you in BS.Player's Filter management, BS.Player will - as a rule - automatically search and find another (combination) of splitter/filters/codecs to play the file.

So that's exactly why, when adicoto asked you
"2. Can you do one more test ? Uninstall all codecs installed by BSPlayer, except for Haali and AC3filter. Install CoreAVC and CoreAAC. Play an MKV and post here which filters are used to play the file" (later informing you to do that by going to BSPlayer's install folder and run codecmanager.exe. Check the filters you want to uninstall and hit "uninstall" button) he mentioned to run codecmanager.exe, whereas when he replied "You can blacklist microsoft's DTV-DVD going to filter management -> blacklist - > add" he referred to Filter management.
(Note I'm just adding this to make it - also for the benefit of other users, who may perhaps be confused - abundantly clear that it does concern two different and separate things.)

In your last post you mentioned that you're using (also) external .srt/.sub subtitles.
Did you - in that connection - check/select "[x] Disable embedded subtitles" under (rightclick>)Options>Preferences>Subtitles [Subtitle properties]?
:wink:

ssdevious 6th January 2012 01:48 AM

Well, well, well...

Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciated your endurance, with me, it's never easy and many support teams were driven mad because of me, however, good news for today, after total amount of more then 30 hours (not straight of course, lol), after more then 50 installations (I actually might have invented a way, how to run 3 BS Players - 3 different versions at the same time, of course, at that time, I thought, I lost my computer for good, after what followed..), uninstallations and reinstallations, after more then 10 different packages of codecs, both pirated and free, after a several harsh hits into my keyboard...

... I figured it out! :cocktail:

Let's recap this, shall we?

I) BS Player works fine with .mkv 720p
II) BS Player works fine, after external .srt were loaded in
III) BS Player went mad, at the exact time, when it went full-screen
IV) full-screen with NO .srt however, worked just fine!

--> problem MUST be the .srt or subtitles in general! YES!

:::AND NOW THE SOLUTION:::

1) right-click on the screen
2) "Options" -> "Preferences" -> "Subtitles"
3) select "Subtitles properties"
4) [x] "Enable drawing subtitles under image with EVR renderer" -> DISABLE THIS!
4) FIXED!

:zip:

So far so good, fingers crossed, one less pain to deal with.

Oh and by the way, BS Player NEEDS a better skin, but that's a topic for another day, I'd point here, for any lucky people, who stumbles onto this amazingly "dumb" topic: Phoenix by ~Gocilla on deviantART

Let's roll!

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x

BSPeter 6th January 2012 02:18 AM

If you're looking for a few :biggrin: skins, maybe also check out these:
www.bsplayer.com (but perhaps also look here, here, here, and here).
:wink:
(Like I asked before: are you sure you're born on 01 Jan 1938?)

chr1s 8th January 2012 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdevious (Beitrag 49424)
Well, well, well...

Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciated your endurance, with me, it's never easy and many support teams were driven mad because of me, however, good news for today, after total amount of more then 30 hours (not straight of course, lol), after more then 50 installations (I actually might have invented a way, how to run 3 BS Players - 3 different versions at the same time, of course, at that time, I thought, I lost my computer for good, after what followed..), uninstallations and reinstallations, after more then 10 different packages of codecs, both pirated and free, after a several harsh hits into my keyboard...

... I figured it out! :cocktail:

Let's recap this, shall we?

I) BS Player works fine with .mkv 720p
II) BS Player works fine, after external .srt were loaded in
III) BS Player went mad, at the exact time, when it went full-screen
IV) full-screen with NO .srt however, worked just fine!

--> problem MUST be the .srt or subtitles in general! YES!

:::AND NOW THE SOLUTION:::

1) right-click on the screen
2) "Options" -> "Preferences" -> "Subtitles"
3) select "Subtitles properties"
4) [x] "Enable drawing subtitles under image with EVR renderer" -> DISABLE THIS!
4) FIXED!

:zip:

So far so good, fingers crossed, one less pain to deal with.

Oh and by the way, BS Player NEEDS a better skin, but that's a topic for another day, I'd point here, for any lucky people, who stumbles onto this amazingly "dumb" topic: Phoenix by ~Gocilla on deviantART

Let's roll!

Best Regards,
~tEh'Pâr4d0x


Hello!

Usually i never register to any forum, what I do I always browse at google if i have some problem with anything. And luckily there is always a person who encountered same problem as I did and found solution with group of people like in this case.
I wanna thank you too, cause i had this problem aswell terrible lag and freezes when i loaded subtitles interal or external when on fullscreen.

I googled alot and finally it brought me here and it's fixed now.

Thank you again, this worked more than perfect for me aswell !
Good luck in future

-chr1s

p.s:not to mention i installed and unistalled a milion times aswell ;) always try to do your best than search for help if all fails

Foxin 12th January 2012 12:15 PM

Its nice that you got your issue resolved.I too joined this forum solely for the reason that it helps in pooling of ideas which enable one to overcome his problem.

Metaldooduk 26th September 2012 01:06 PM

Subtitles - Flickery Picture
 
Just so you know, you should uncheck "use anti-aliased font" otherwise you will still get the flickering problem.


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