Overlay mixer rendering mode?

kimiraikkonen · #1 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

Hello guys,
By default Bsplayer runs at "internal renderer overlay" but if i change rendering mode to "overlay mixer" some of my videos cannot be opened with errors or some of them may go out of sync.

But if i use internal renderer mode, the problems do not seem.

What is "overlay mixer" and who can use it? What's the purpose?

My CPU is fast enough and my VGA card compatible with my videos (tested)?

Thanks.

Tizio · #2 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

http://www.inmatrix.com/zplayer/high...idrender.shtml

(I know it's a link to a site of another video player, but it's only to explain the different rendering modes.. I'll delete it if it's a problem) :roll:

kimiraikkonen · #3 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

If i play a VOB extension DVD video file just by double clicking, i get "can't open". And i had a lot of paging errors on that DVD-ROM shown in "event log". But the drive reads well other video files like avi,mpeg.

Also Windows Media Player reads that DVD-ROM (VOB) file hardly generating paging errors in event log.

1-.....What do you think?

2-Also what do i have to have toplay subtitles of DVD-Video in order to select them with Bsplayer? Does Bsplayer have internal subtitle filter for DVD-VIDEOS? I know it works for Divx subtitles (srt,sub) but DVD-video???

3-Also when using overlay mixer mode rather than internal renderer, movie info statistics has much more "-average std offset" and "std offset" values... Is they serious?

Thanks for replying these 3 questions.

Tizio · #4 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

1. As stated in BSplayer Pro homepage: DVD support (codecs required) so you have to install an MPEG2 codec, such as Elecard, Cyberlink or others (some of them are included in codec packs, K-Lite Mega Codec Packfor example ;) , but pay attention to what you install if you intend to use CPs, usually they introduce more conflicts problems than solutions)
2. BSplayer is able to decode and disply DVD subtitles axactly as the DivX ones, plus since few releases BSplayer is also able to let you select external subtitles while playing a DVD if you want
3. different rendering modes have different behaviours on different machines (video cards, CPUs etc.).. Anyway the default renderer is the best one in my opinion in stability, quality and resource consumption

kimiraikkonen · #5 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tizio

1. As stated in BSplayer Pro homepage: DVD support (codecs required) so you have to install an MPEG2 codec, such as Elecard, Cyberlink or others (some of them are included in codec packs, K-Lite Mega Codec Packfor example ;) , but pay attention to what you install if you intend to use CPs, usually they introduce more conflicts problems than solutions)
2. BSplayer is able to decode and disply DVD subtitles axactly as the DivX ones, plus since few releases BSplayer is also able to let you select external subtitles while playing a DVD if you want
3. different rendering modes have different behaviours on different machines (video cards, CPUs etc.).. Anyway the default renderer is the best one in my opinion in stability, quality and resource consumption

Hi Tizio,
First off, thanks for responding and taking care. I have necessary MPEG2 codecs (Mainconcept) and i'm able to play MPEG2 files with Bsplayer but i can't play DVD's with "menus" only VOB video is shown in Bsplayer.

But with Windows Media Player, i can play DVD's with menu functions FINE with the same filters.

However my Bsplayer Pro is a bit old due not to feel needing to upgrade. Mine is Bsplayer PRO 1.41 build 832. Could it be the problem for subtitle and DVD video menu problem?

Also i couldn't understand how to play DVD movies with just one click? There's only a "open video fil"e allowing me to single file?

Thanks.

Tizio · #6 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

If I remember correctly Full DVD Playback feature has been implemented since v2, not before... sorry..

kimiraikkonen · #7 (**permalink**) 8th October 2007

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Originally Posted by Tizio

If I remember correctly Full DVD Playback feature has been implemented since v2, not before... sorry..

Hmm, v2.0 and later? Are you sure? WMP9 plays menus and subtitles it's old too. :?

Also Bsplayer PRO loads DVD discs very hardly. Without ejecting disc from the same drive, WMP reads quicker and more stable?...

Tizio · #8 (**permalink**) 9th October 2007

Pretty sure.. :roll:
BSplayer v1.xx can open unprotected VOB files with MPEG2 decoders
I played my DVDs with v1 this way:
http://bsplayer.com/forum/viewtopic....&highlight=css

kimiraikkonen · #9 (**permalink**) 10th October 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tizio

Pretty sure.. :roll:
BSplayer v1.xx can open unprotected VOB files with MPEG2 decoders
I played my DVDs with v1 this way:
http://bsplayer.com/forum/viewtopic....&highlight=css

Dear Tizio, how can i know my VOB couldn't be opened by Bsplayer because of Protection? Because i want to know if there are something different of unopening like physical read-errors or disc scratch?

What's the best tool that identifies if the DVD-VIDEO is protected?

adicoto · #10 (**permalink**) 11th October 2007

Look at the disk. If it's genuine, then it's protected.

kimiraikkonen · #11 (**permalink**) 11th October 2007

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Originally Posted by adicoto

Look at the disk. If it's genuine, then it's protected.

Yes, the disk is original and it has factory-printed cover on it. So always that mean it's protected? And is that protected related to region protection? It mustn't be, because my drive can open region 2 drives with no problems?

Isn't the protection that we are talking about "copy protection"? I don't know the name...

J7N · #12 (**permalink**) 11th October 2007

Yes, it is the same copy protection. In fact it could be called "reading protection", as this is what they're restricting you to do. The goal of commercial companies is to make it as hard as possible for you to access their released discs.

kimiraikkonen · #13 (**permalink**) 11th October 2007

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Originally Posted by J7N

Yes, it is the same copy protection. In fact it could be called "reading protection", as this is what they're restricting you to do. The goal of commercial companies is to make it as hard as possible for you to access their released discs.

But as far as my drive is region-2 compatible, why can't i play some of them with Windows Media Player old old Bsplayer (older than v2.0) ? Sometimes i get opening error sometimes it's read hardly although the disc and drive is clean and other Disc can be read fine.

What's the logic?

kimiraikkonen · #14 (**permalink**) 14th October 2007

I want to ask to understand better :)

Isn't there 2 protection types:

1-Region protection which disallows you to play the DVD video outside your region? (country)

2-Copy protection which disallows you to backup your movie?

Which protection type does effect Bsplayer not to open original DVDs before v2.0?

Thanks.

J7N · #15 (**permalink**) 14th October 2007

I haven't dealt with original DVDs much. But I suppose it is not possible to simply read them, since there exists paid software ("AnyDVD") which enables DVD reading.

adicoto · #16 (**permalink**) 15th October 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen

I want to ask to understand better :)

Isn't there 2 protection types:

1-Region protection which disallows you to play the DVD video outside your region? (country)

2-Copy protection which disallows you to backup your movie?

Which protection type does effect Bsplayer not to open original DVDs before v2.0?

Thanks.

Yes, this is true. Copy protection, also called CSS it's the one that does not allow you to read (and backup) the content of a DVD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System

but you also have DeCSS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decss