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kimiraikkonen 15th December 2007 01:46 PM

Hang up while opening
 
Hi all,
I have a video which consists of DivX4 and Mp3 audio and can be played fine in Windows Media Player 9. But when i try to run it through Bsplayer Pro, it gets locked on opening and i need to kill the process or reset the computer.

I though maybe i blocked or added blacklist some filters, then looked at filter management with no entry about that fields.

What may be the reasons? If there is a problem about codecs/filters, why is it being played by WMP?

Thanks.

Farlight 15th December 2007 02:21 PM

Not necessarily the codec, did you try a different rendering mode? Btw just a head sup always try to write more then just the symptom, write down what codec you got for playing DivX system spec and so on, every bit of information helps. :) Could try for example put hardware acceleration to zero see if it's the graphic card.

kimiraikkonen 15th December 2007 09:20 PM

After converting it again into Xvid or DivX format, it works well on Bsplayer weirdly.

kimiraikkonen 18th December 2007 10:54 PM

Update: The hanging video consist of HD Video (Avi-DivX4) 768x432 dimensions and AC3 codec, after i convert only its audio to mp3, it's opened by Bsplayer, otherwise only Windows Media Player opens it well with default AC3 audio codec.

I have AC3 installed properly and was working while decoding DVDs.

adicoto 19th December 2007 05:39 AM

1. That resolution and that codec means that the file isn't a HD, best case a rip from a HD TV station.
2. The audio part, is it AC3 like 5.1 audio or it's just 48.000 Hz stereo AC3 ?

kimiraikkonen 19th December 2007 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
1. That resolution and that codec means that the file isn't a HD, best case a rip from a HD TV station.
2. The audio part, is it AC3 like 5.1 audio or it's just 48.000 Hz stereo AC3 ?

Dear adicoto,
It's HDTV yes, all the detailse you may want to know is included in this GSPOT screenshot.

Thanks!

http://www.resim-yukle.com/img01/14/864039hdtv.jpg

adicoto 19th December 2007 04:30 PM

Yes, I see. This is an analog capture from a possible HD TV stetion, it ain't a HD file.
Yes, it's an 48.000 Hz file. The problem it's from the audio decoder. Usually, Elecard deals this kind of audio with no problems.The file have, in fact, MP3 audio (probably Lame it's the compresor used) but it's recognised as an AC3 stream, there is where the problem is. Probably the capture software it's generating this.

kimiraikkonen 20th December 2007 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Yes, I see. This is an analog capture from a possible HD TV stetion, it ain't a HD file.
Yes, it's an 48.000 Hz file. The problem it's from the audio decoder. Usually, Elecard deals this kind of audio with no problems.The file have, in fact, MP3 audio (probably Lame it's the compresor used) but it's recognised as an AC3 stream, there is where the problem is. Probably the capture software it's generating this.

Thanks for your reply, the weirdest thing is that it can be opened well with WMP but no with Bsplayer Pro although its audio is AC3 and i have AC3Filter. After encoding with mp3 then Bsplayer runs it fine.
Here is my AC3Filter details:

ac3filter.ax, 516096 bytes, Version 1.0.1.0

CompanyName:
FileDescription: ac3filter
FileVersion: 1.01a
InternalName: ac3filter
LegalCopyright: Copyright c 2002-2004 by Alexander Vigovsky
LegalTradeMarks:
OriginalFilename: ac3filter.ax
ProductName: AC3Filter
ProductVersion: 1.01a
Comments: Direct show audio decoder and processor filter

Thanks.

Tizio 20th December 2007 01:32 PM

Please kimi, when you quote someone, disable HTML code, this way I have not to edit every posts of yours to show correct quotes ;)

Can you provide a link to that video (or a smaller file with the same problem) so I'll be able to help you out (I'm not as smart as adicoto is :oops: )

kimiraikkonen 20th December 2007 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tizio
Please kimi, when you quote someone, disable HTML code, this way I have not to edit every posts of yours to show correct quotes ;)

Can you provide a link to that video (or a smaller file with the same problem) so I'll be able to help you out (I'm not as smart as adicoto is :oops: )

Hi Tizio, i couldn't understand why you requested me to disable HTML codes, i haven't used any HTML codes and couldn't find out the relationship between quotes. (Probably for unwanted ads links?)

Here is a small video clip (Assuming you have broadband, 55MB, good clip :) )

http://rs1.rapidshare.com/files/6204...use_of_you.rar

adicoto 21st December 2007 05:41 AM

1 Attachment(s)
The attached file contains informations about HTML disabling and the video file. No problem in here. Just one single advice...update AC3Filter.

I will try to send you a link to the same clip, but HD (for real)

BSPeter 21st December 2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen
Hi Tizio, i couldn't understand why you requested me to disable HTML codes, i haven't used any HTML codes and couldn't find out the relationship between quotes. (Probably for unwanted ads links?)

In the Preview-windows below the difference in result is shown between "Disable HTML in this post" being checked or not:
http://members.home.nl/van.raak/HTMLdisable.png

Tizio 21st December 2007 02:10 PM

Ok, tried the file you uploaded and I have no problems in playing it. Update your AC3Filter codec as adicoto already suggested you and everything should be fine ;)
(codecs used here are FFDShow v1.0.4.1518 + AC3Filter v1.3.1.0)

Thank you Peter for the well packed reply :)

kimiraikkonen 21st December 2007 04:41 PM

BsPeter & adicoto, i knew how to disable, i just wondered what it's used for. Because i haven't used any HTML tags or codes and what they take effect on this forum pages.

Tizio, i updated AC3Filter the latest one, 1.46 with no change, file hangs at startup, works fine with WMP 9. Maybe it's because of your Bsplayer Pro is newer than mine. I have DivX 6.6.1 installed(has mpeg4 generic decoding support). Or your AC3 filter settings are different.

Could you give here a link of a short video which has AC3 codec and can run with Bsplayer to test my AC3 configuration?

Note: Some other converted AC3 audio-having videos can't be played correctly. I'm using official and unique drivers for my C-Media CMI8738 sound card driver. (there's no newer official, horrible)

Thanks!

kimiraikkonen 21st December 2007 05:27 PM

Update: Weird, i copied file into another drive location now it's played by Bsplayer...

Tizio 21st December 2007 05:29 PM

Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it

kimiraikkonen 21st December 2007 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tizio
Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it

First i thought like you, against the risk of bad blocks, i performed a read test onto that file and passed successfully, no read errors(DiskChecker), also if there was bad blocks, it couldn't be copied to another location.

If it was because defragmentation, the video display should have come and playback should be sluttered. But in my problem there wasn't any display except hanging view of Bsplayer.

Anymore thoughts?

Thanks!

adicoto 21st December 2007 05:57 PM

Reinstall Windows, your system it's .......

BSPeter 21st December 2007 06:19 PM

[quote=kimiraikkonen]
Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizio'
Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it[/quοte]....

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen earlier
BsPeter & adicoto, i knew how to disable....,

:?http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/nixweiss.gif

adicoto 21st December 2007 07:14 PM

Sample of the original file (1080i)

http://rapidshare.com/files/78148045..._test.mpg.html

sample of the 720p encode

http://rapidshare.com/files/78154956/test1.avi.html

Tizio 21st December 2007 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Reinstall Windows, your system it's .......

Quote!

[quote=BSPeter]
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen
Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizio'
Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it[/quοte]....

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen earlier
BsPeter & adicoto, i knew how to disable....,

:?http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/nixweiss.gif

http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/images_hwu/smilies/19.gif
This time I edited it again... who knows if he'll disable it next time (maybe I should had left it like it was :P )

kimiraikkonen 21st December 2007 11:14 PM

[quote=BSPeter]
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen
Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizio'
Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it[/quοte]....

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen earlier
BsPeter & adicoto, i knew how to disable....,

:?http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/nixweiss.gif

What does it mean? From the first post, still i'm trying to find out why you got angry about my posts :roll: Could you explict the effect of "disabling HTMLs".
(I'm disabling in evey post). Here is a quote again and "disable HTML in this post" is checked. Is it wrong?

kimiraikkonen 21st December 2007 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto

Adicoto, 720p and 1080i samples were opened by Bsplayer with no problem and 720p sample used about %70-75 CPU and 1080i used about %75-80 CPU(nearly same).

720p sample is played with no major sync lost,almost smooth, but 1080i was horrible, there were a lot of sync losses and audio/transition(video) corruption/jitters and FPS were about 17-18fps for this(1080i, your sample) 30fps file. Also while running 1080i, HDD usage was very very excessive nearly was in 720p.

My system is old (looking for upgrade):
P4 2.4GHZ
Geforce4 MX440 64MB-DDR
C-Media CMI8738 on-board sound chip.
Latest drives.
7200RPM ATA-100(UDMA-5) Seagate drive.

However the interesting points are two:

1-If i move or remove this file elsewhere it's opened OK with Bsplayer Pro, otherwise only WMP9 opens it.(if i don't move or copy).

2-If the video file or hardware was faulty,either WMP couldn't have opened it. So, is there a kind of file PATH blacklist or cached user data resides in Bsplayer and how to fix it?

Thanks.

Note: "Disable HTML in this post" is checked as well.

BSPeter 22nd December 2007 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen
....
Note: "Disable HTML in this post" is checked as well.

http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/s65.gifThat's it!http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/s70.gif

kimiraikkonen 22nd December 2007 12:54 AM

Hi :D I found and fixed the problem, it was too weird. The file was in a directory and this directory was containing a text file and a shortcut URL file (advertisement of uploader), i deleted that 2 files with only video remained, now it's opened OK with Bsplayer without location change.

So, that means Bsplayer Pro queries the directory structure and tries to connect the URL which is within in the same DIR with the video file. :evil:

No codec, no hardware.... Bsplayer :D

adicoto 22nd December 2007 06:26 AM

The purpose of the sample was for you to see how a real HD file look like. Your hardware it's close to the minimal requirements but your hard drive couldn't match the transfer rate requiered. That's why the stuttering. ANd the usage of 80 % CPU even the file waqsn't playng correctly. CPU was decoding in time the data transfered, but the HDD wasn't sending enough data to decode.
If you are looking for an upgrade, buy a videocard that is having HD support (BR and HD DVD)

Offtopic :lol: I do also have a lot of files in folders with a text file and an URL, but never had this problem. Weird, isn't it ? It's the option "load any subtitle in current folder" enabled ?

Tizio 22nd December 2007 08:08 AM

[quote=kimiraikkonen]
Quote:

Originally Posted by BSPeter
Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen
Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizio'
Is it possible that your HDD is fragmented a lot or has bad sectors?
Try to defragment it[/quοte]....

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimiraikkonen earlier
BsPeter & adicoto, i knew how to disable....,

:?http://www.hondenhuys.nl/forumsmilies/nixweiss.gif

What does it mean? From the first post, still i'm trying to find out why you got angry about my posts :roll: Could you explict the effect of "disabling HTMLs".
(I'm disabling in evey post). Here is a quote again and "disable HTML in this post" is checked. Is it wrong?

Finally it's ok!! Congrats for your fix too! :wink:

kimiraikkonen 22nd December 2007 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
The purpose of the sample was for you to see how a real HD file look like. Your hardware it's close to the minimal requirements but your hard drive couldn't match the transfer rate requiered. That's why the stuttering. ANd the usage of 80 % CPU even the file waqsn't playng correctly. CPU was decoding in time the data transfered, but the HDD wasn't sending enough data to decode.
If you are looking for an upgrade, buy a videocard that is having HD support (BR and HD DVD)

Offtopic :lol: I do also have a lot of files in folders with a text file and an URL, but never had this problem. Weird, isn't it ? It's the option "load any subtitle in current folder" enabled ?

Hi :) , at first i surprised that 720p and 1080i samples were costing almost the same amount of CPU but it's not understandable that 7200RPM drive isn't enough, i bet most of drives in the world is 7200rpm(udma 5+) but my drive is 6736 hours old, young huh? (Smart data). 720p was quite smooth with no great satisfaction, 1080i was nightmare.
At this point i must ask: Although CPU usage wasn't %100, was the sluttering because of video card/HDD usage?

Also VGA card isn't enough in my opinion for HD files, 64MB video memory is definitely minimum at its limits.

About the problem, one of the weirdist problem in the world :D , if there wasn't a coincidence, after deleting that 5 lined advertisement and shortcut url file, it's opened well.

Maybe you can try:

http://rs1.rapidshare.com/files/6204...use_of_you.rar

Directly extract RAR into the folder with commanding "extract here", try to double click video(same folder video and text/url files). Highly possible that you may not have problem like me but you can try.

adicoto 22nd December 2007 11:04 AM

I've donloaded allready the video file, could you post just the txt and the url files ?

kimiraikkonen 22nd December 2007 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
I've donloaded allready the video file, could you post just the txt and the url files ?

Url and text files are included in the RAR archive which is on the link i've posted, currently i don't have them(deleted as a solution you know).

I also tried; Robotica Sample from MS Site(720p - 1280x720) with a very smooth playback. (cpu usage was about %45-50)

adicoto 22nd December 2007 11:39 AM

Sorry, I forgot. i still have the url and txt file :D in the folder where I've extracted your archive. That's the place where I did run the file in the first place, with no problems at all.
MS site provide WMV HD files, not MPEG2 nor x264/H264. Those files do have a small bitrate, so it's easy to stream the file from the HD. This codec it's used by the scene for HD porn and to re-encode files for MS consoles. VC1, an evolution of this codec (I wonder what "evolution" means in this context) it's used for HD material on optical support.

kimiraikkonen 22nd December 2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Sorry, I forgot. i still have the url and txt file :D in the folder where I've extracted your archive. That's the place where I did run the file in the first place, with no problems at all.
MS site provide WMV HD files, not MPEG2 nor x264/H264. Those files do have a small bitrate, so it's easy to stream the file from the HD. This codec it's used by the scene for HD porn and to re-encode files for MS consoles. VC1, an evolution of this codec (I wonder what "evolution" means in this context) it's used for HD material on optical support.

Weird, IIRC(not so sure) the stranger thing, i moved video file another location, then also moved url/text elsewhere, then brought back video/url to the same (initial, first extracted) folder and opened from in it with no problem. :roll:

adicoto 22nd December 2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Reinstall Windows, your system it's .......


kimiraikkonen 22nd December 2007 07:48 PM

I did further test, the hang (lock) doesn't occur if the advertisement text file isn't in the directory. If you remain video and URL file in the same directory, no problem but if you locate video+URL+text it gets locked. Really weird.

Also, if you create an empty text file named the same as advertisement text's name, no lock occurs, but if you copy the text content into your text file that you created, again it gets lock.

Shortly, if there's no this advertisement text file in the same DIR with video, it runs OK.

BSPeter 22nd December 2007 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Is the option "load any subtitle in current folder" enabled ?

You never replied this question :wink:

adicoto 22nd December 2007 10:12 PM

I am 99,99 % sure.

kimiraikkonen 23rd December 2007 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSPeter
Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Is the option "load any subtitle in current folder" enabled ?

You never replied this question :wink:

Hi there, thanks for all the replies. :) I saw new. Yep, if i check preferences -> subtitles -> "subtitles disabled", the problem goes away, if it's unchecked(subtitles enabled) it gets hang.

At this point, it's a proof that it's a BSPLAYER bug or problem but currently my version is very old (1.41) maybe it's fixed or not in newers. Although the text file's extension is not ".srt" or ".sub", it shouldn't be recognized as subtitle and shouldn't hanged on opening.

adicoto 23rd December 2007 11:45 AM

The extension is .txt, and this is a valid extension for subtiles. :wink:

LE: If you have this option enabled and in the folder you have a file with a valid subtitle extension, but the file isn't in fact a subtitle, BSPlayer hangs up with no error message. It does not detect that the subtitle file it's not what it claims to be. I think you can post this as a bug, in the apropiate section: better detection of the corrupted subtitle file (that counts for a non-subtitle :roll: subtitle file)


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