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Magic920 23rd March 2006 06:49 PM

B§Player Latest Version 139..Install Fail§..!!
 
When trying to install latest version. The install goes about 90% then fails on an invalid page fault 3 times before finishing and gives a runtime error each time. I have tried version 138 also with same results. 1.36.825....works fine. Also the SAVE vvsn also flags as virus. I disabled my anti-virus and same results. I tried both the free versions and the Pro..without SAVE...and same results...!!!

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated..

Running Windows 98 with codecs that work fine with version 1.36.825

Thanks in advance..

§teve

BSPeter 23rd March 2006 07:43 PM

Re: B§Player Latest Version 139..Install Fail§..!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic920
I tried both the free versions and the Pro..without SAVE...and same results...!!!

From where did you download?
:wink:

J7N 23rd March 2006 10:39 PM

Download my version (search the forum or PM me). It does not include an installer. If any stripped versions do include an installer they are no safer than WhenU bundled.

Magic920 24th March 2006 12:54 AM

bs peter....To answer your question.

I got the free download from....www.bsplayer.com

Magic920

Magic920 24th March 2006 12:57 AM

J7N.....

Send me your version as your reply to me said...

Thanks

§teve/aka/Magic920

Tizio 24th March 2006 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic920
bs peter....To answer your question.

I got the free download from....www.bsplayer.com

Magic920

Installed BSplayer v1.38/1.39/1.40 without problems!
All downloaded from www.bsplayer.com and tested on Windows ME and Windows XP :?

Magic920 24th March 2006 01:40 AM

Tizio...

As i said i am running Windows98
And version 1.36.825 works perfect.

1.38 & 1.39 don't install properly...why...???

And nothing is different on my machine....i just re-install 1.36.85...after 1.38 & 1.39 fail and everything works great..so it is something in 1.38 & 1.39 that is different that my machine does'nt like....probably something to do with the addware that is bundled...as the install fails right around the point where the vvsn folder is being installed...???? I even disabled my anti-virus program for the install of 1.38 & 1.39 same result install fails arounf the point where the adware folder vvsn is being installed. But if i re-install 1.36.825 with anti-virus activated like normal.....there are no install or operating problems at all......????

Tizio 24th March 2006 01:44 AM

As I mentioned I tested the installer on Windows ME that's pretty identical to Windows 98..
Probably as you said the problem lays into the WhenU adware interfering with you antivirus program..
Have you tried to install BSplayer v1.40? It has been released few hours ago..
Probably the result will be the same, but who knows?!

Can you tell me what antivirus program are you using?

J7N 24th March 2006 09:05 PM

I sent you the link of non-pro v1.39.
Programmers tend to forget that someone still uses Win98. The all great VideoLAN for example also is unstable on Win98 and plays all audio @ DAC's frequency without resampling (YMF724, Realtek tested).

WinME is like Win98SE with 'modern' graphics and pchealth bloatware added.

Tizio 25th March 2006 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7N
Programmers tend to forget that someone still uses Win98.
WinME is like Win98SE with 'modern' graphics and pchealth bloatware added.

:? Why do you say this?
I said that I had no problems with WindowsME, and since, as you say, it's as like as the 98 one.. there shouldn't had been negligences by developers in this field.. :?

J7N 25th March 2006 03:25 AM

Quote:

the problem lays into the WhenU adware interfering with you antivirus program..
not your OS itself.

On the other hand OS config might be different while you Tizio have all defaults. The installer (not to mention WhenU) is an unneeded step. First you must ensure NSIS will run, then the malware [dunno if an acknowledgement of succesful install is required], and only then the actual BSPlayer. Of course I could mention the exe-protection used, but thats too much.

To summarize: If the installer does not run, do not execute it. Run BSPlayer the old-fashioned way.

Magic920 25th March 2006 09:34 PM

J7N & Tizio...and all others

Here is my latest update.

First of all J7N i downloaded and unpacked your version that you sent me without the installer. I unpacked it to a new folder..then like normal i hit bsplayer.exe...immediately it failed just like all the other versions 137 & 138 & 139 & 140....(Invalid page faults with address of zero's) (plus runtime errors)....So i tried all of the above versions both with SAVE adware and Pro versions without the bundled SAVE. Therefore i suspected something with my machine. (which is windows 98)...

So next i tried all of the above on my other TEST machine which is bare bones Windows 98 (It has only Win 98 on it no other software).

Since all the versions fail on both my machines...137 & 138 & 139 & 140...and ONLY... 1.36.825 or previous works for me perfectly on both my machines.

I can only think that is nothing to do with the adware SAVE or the installer...but...i has to do with all versions above 1.36.825 [ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS 98]....

So if anyone else is running Windows 98....NOT ME or SE or XP...just WIN98.....try test any version for me that is higher than 1.36.825...

Thanks....or any other solutions to my problem will be greatly appreciated..!!

§teve... :?

adicoto 25th March 2006 10:01 PM

I think that the best chances are that Win98 is nolonger supported, maybe by the installer itself or windows installer. I think neither MS doesn't support Win98 any more.

EDIT:
maybe is DirectX who is responsible !!! I think you need at least DirectX7 and Win98 AFAIK has only 6.4 or someting like this.

EDIT2:
Unofficialy this support does not exist any more.
Officialy:

Effective July 11, 2006, Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Me (and their related components) will transition to a non-supported status. After this date, Microsoft will no longer provide any incident support options or security updates. Microsoft is not offering a custom support agreement for these products.
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows98/

Magic920 25th March 2006 11:20 PM

Adicoto...

Thanks for your input. But this has nothing to do with Microsoft support for Windows 98. It has to do with BSPlayer incompatibility with Windows 98..above version 1.36.825.

Also i am running DirectX 9.0c..which also works ok with BSPlayer 1.36.825.

If there is a page fault and runtime error it has to do with the code in BSPlayer for the versions above..1.36.825...It is something in the code for bsplayer.exe that calls a module that Windows 98 doesn't like...!!!!!

Anyhow thanks for your in-put..!!!

Keep those ideas coming....and as i said before i want someone else to install any versions above 1.36.825 on WINDOWS 98....and let me know if they get them to install and execute ..properly...!!

Thanks..

§teve.... :idea:

adicoto 25th March 2006 11:38 PM

Yes, I know it has nothing to do with Win98 support, but I posted this so you won't go so hard on those who doesn't support it any more.
I am sure it has something to do with Win98 itself, something in it's basics isn't working with BSplayer. Maybe posting the exact error and the exact step where it occurs (the bundled and the clean install) will help locating the source.

Magic920 26th March 2006 12:02 AM

Adicoto...

This is what i get """"" Program has performed an illegal operation """"

As Follows.....




BSPLAYER caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 0000:00000000.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0000 EIP=00000000 EFLGS=00000000
EBX=00000000 SS=0000 ESP=00000000 EBP=00000000
ECX=00000000 DS=0000 ESI=00000000 FS=0000
EDX=00000000 ES=0000 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:

Stack dump:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is followed by.............


RunTime Error 216 at 004042F6



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


This happens 3 times in a row....when installing with installer.

When using J7N copy of prog 1.39...with no ad-ware it happens as soon as you hit the bsplayer.exe file....and it happens once...

So still back to my above messages and ideas..!!

Notice.... that it is doing some sort of call to an UNKNOWN MODULE.....!!!!

And i am not bashing anyone for non-support...I am just trying to get help!!!

Thanks...

§teve... :?:

Tizio 26th March 2006 01:52 AM

I knew a person with Windows98 SE installed on its machine, but unfortunally he moved to XP 3 months ago.
Anyhow never known anybody with Win98 FE...
Sorry..
This and most probably the Windows2K related problem, seem to be incompatibility issues that must be fixed in next releases.

J7N 26th March 2006 07:45 PM

Windows 98 had DirectX 5 by default and first thing to do after installation was to install 6.1 - 7. I hope I will be able to test v1.39 on my other Win98 (FE) machine today.

Update: I was able to start v1.39 on the other comp [DirectX 8]. However, the startup time was MUCH longer. You might never notice this on fast machines, but it's a fact. The only obvious difference from v1.36 was a new goddamn NeoLite protector.

Unfortunately the testing ended there as the system no longer worked properly without a sound card (media files could not be rendered in any BS).

Tizio 26th March 2006 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7N
Windows 98 had DirectX 5 by default and first thing to do after installation was to install 6.1 - 7. I hope I will be able to test v1.39 on my other Win98 (FE) machine today.

Update: I was able to start v1.39 on the other comp [DirectX 8]. However, the startup time was MUCH longer. You might never notice this on fast machines, but it's a fact. The only obvious difference from v1.36 was a new goddamn NeoLite protector.

Unfortunately the testing ended there as the system no longer worked properly without a sound card.

(I deleted your previous message since you put only the [deleted] message in it :wink: )

So you are telling that (even if in a slow way) the installation process is supported also by Win98..

Are you sure it's NeoLite? I'm pretty sure it's not neolite (if you want I can tell you which one is used, I don't think it's a scret :) ), but still the same protector as always from 2 (and maybe 3) years to now..
However the protector used is pretty slow on old machines, especially with some antivirus (not updated Norton, McAfee v7 and later etc.. It's a bit faster with NOD32)..
You can notice this majorly on Win 9.x systems instead of WinXP ones because WinXP uses a better handling of the simultaneous processes, while with old Windows the pc hanged until the antivirus unpacking process was ended..

J7N 27th March 2006 08:12 AM

I am telling that BSPlayer can be run on Win98, not the installer. Well, at least without audio hardware. ;) I won't try the installer because of WhenU.

Quote:

still the same protector as always from 2 (and maybe 3) years to now..
Then there must be a another explanation to the lenghthy startup. I don't use an antivirus.

Magic920 27th March 2006 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7N
Windows 98 had DirectX 5 by default and first thing to do after installation was to install 6.1 - 7. I hope I will be able to test v1.39 on my other Win98 (FE) machine today.

Not sure what version of Windows 98 you have here. (FE).....what's FE.??
Some field engineer version???

Anyway i am running straight Windows 98 4.10.1998. (With DirectX 9.0c).

All the versions people have mentioned so far are (FE/SE/ME/XP).
So i still believe it is a compatibility problem with straight Win98...and the problem is in the exe file........ "bsplayer.exe" when it does a call to an UNKOWN MODULE.....?????? 8)

J7N 27th March 2006 07:05 PM

I'm sorry if I misguided you. FE was meant as "first version" (=1998) as opposed to SE (=2222). It is possible that DX 9 cannot be used with Win98 4.10.1998. I had DX 8 installed.

Quote:

and the problem is in the exe file........ "bsplayer.exe" when it does a call to an UNKOWN MODULE
Reminds me of Parite/Pinfi virus. ;)

Magic920 27th March 2006 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7N
It is possible that DX 9 cannot be used with Win98 4.10.1998. I had DX 8 installed.

There is NO problem with DirectX 8.1 or 9.0c..they all work fine with 1.36.825.....i even re-installed Windows 98 4.10.1998...... and bsplayer still fails with all versions above 1.36.825. So back to my original comment .....Compatibility problem with Win 98 4.10.1998.... in all versions above 1.36.825....with or without AdWare......!!!! :twisted:

adicoto 27th March 2006 07:52 PM

1.137.826 certainly doesn't have adware, it's the last "fully free" version. If this package is not working, then the problem is elswhere. Can you post here (from dxdiag utility) wich version of quartz.dll, mciqtz32.dll, mciavi32.dll do you have installed ?

Magic920 28th March 2006 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
1.137.826 certainly doesn't have adware, it's the last "fully free" version. If this package is not working, then the problem is elswhere. Can you post here (from dxdiag utility) wich version of quartz.dll, mciqtz32.dll, mciavi32.dll do you have installed ?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Adicoto:

Yes.. you are right 1.37.826 does work ok...I forgot it is the last version to work as fully free version (except the video is flipped).

So to answer your question i am currently on DirectX 8.1 (Retail Version).

quartz.dll = 6.03.01.0889
mciqtz32.dll = 6.03.01.0400
mciavi32.dll = (This file does not exist with DirectX 8.1) using Windows 98.

So excluding 1.37.826 which works with video flipped bug (which i was aware of). All versions above this still fail. So the only good full version for me so far is still 1.36.825.

BSPeter 28th March 2006 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic920
... 1.37.826 does work ok...I forgot it is the last version to work as fully free version (except the video is flipped).

Is video flipped for any file .avi and .mpg? What filter/codec is BSPlayer actually using during playback? (last line of item (3) of my Help2Help-post).
:wink:

Magic920 28th March 2006 06:20 PM

BSPeter...

To answer your question about flipped video in version 137...it does not matter regarding my problem with 138-139-140-141. But the flipped problem was supposidly fixed in 138 as following notes say...

BSplayer and BSplayer Pro version 1.38 (b828) (14 Feb 2006)

config file is now saved in user home directory
fixed problem with resetting aspect ratio when movie was paused
fixed problem with aspect ratio in play list
with some files there was no audio if EQ was enabled, fixed
fixed problem with flipped video with some codec/files
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
audio files won't be restarted anymore after resolution change
some subtitle fixes
fixed problem with YV12 color space ('strange' colors)
won't crash anymore with mkv files and disabled subtitles
some fixes for frame capture
mute button wasn't working in full screen skins, fixed
some other bug fixes

So problem still exists with install failing for ver. 138-139-140 & now the new 141 also..... :?:

BSPeter 28th March 2006 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I earlier
Is video flipped for any file .avi and .mpg? What filter/codec is BSPlayer actually using during playback? (last line of item (3) of my Help2Help-post).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic920
To answer your question about flipped video in version 137.................................

Am I missing something or am I really missing the answer to my question?
:wink:

adicoto 28th March 2006 08:11 PM

Remember that even SPs from.... can fix some bugs and bring.....many, many others.
Damn, I wish I had a spare computer to install an 98.

Tizio 28th March 2006 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
Damn, I wish I had a spare computer to install an 98.

Now I'm trying to install a virtual machine, so in next future maybe I'll be able to test programs/settings on different OS without dual boot or other PCs..
I hope this will work, but first I have to retrieve OS installation discs :wink:

adicoto 28th March 2006 08:25 PM

I prefer a real machine, not a virtual one :)

Tizio 28th March 2006 08:32 PM

Me too, but unfortunally I can't buy another real machine :)

OT
Congrats for your 2000+ posts!
/OT

adicoto 28th March 2006 10:26 PM

Let's see, P III @ 933 / 256 MB, 20 GB should be in here about....120 Euro. Cheap deal. But just to install win98 ? No. But I think next week I do have to install a small network of 400-700 MHz machines. Maybe one of them will have an old, old win 1998. :)
I've jumped over 2000 ? I was never interested in that number. But now, that you mention it, I think it's time to think about my retirement. I am old, and tired. Leave a free space for the young and fast ones.

Tizio 28th March 2006 10:59 PM

Yes, maybe it's not so expensive, but remember that I'm still a student and the money I earn I spend to help my parents to pay my study..and buy another machine just to install Win98 it doesn't worth it :wink:
Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
I've jumped over 2000 ? I was never interested in that number. But now, that you mention it, I think it's time to think about my retirement. I am old, and tired. Leave a free space for the young and fast ones.

Noooooo :shock:
Do you want to retire and let us (younger but less expert.. and I have doubts regarding speed) without you knowledgeand and your support??
I hope not before 2010 :)

adicoto 29th March 2006 04:56 AM

OK then, 7 posts is not a hard work to do.

Tizio 29th March 2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
OK then, 7 posts is not a hard work to do.

:wink:

Magic920 29th March 2006 08:57 PM

Looks like i'll have to continue to use version 1.36.825 for now. Since it is the only stable version for Windows 98.

Maybe by Version 2.0 you'll have the incompatibility problems fixed.

Unless someone comes up with a brilliant answer in the mean time.

Keep me posted.

Thanks..

§teve..... 8)

BSPeter 29th March 2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tizio
Quote:

Originally Posted by adicoto
OK then, 7 posts is not a hard work to do.


And surely no problem whatsoever this way indeed!
Perhaps a chatbox would be a good idea?
http://members.home.nl/van.raak/smiconFrown.gifhttp://members.home.nl/van.raak/smiconFlash.gifhttp://members.home.nl/van.raak/smiconBigsmile.gif
(Sorry, totally off topic, I agree :wink: )

Magic920 5th April 2006 07:01 PM

Do you think this problem might be fixed when Version 2.0 comes out...????

Let me know.

Thanks...§teve.. :lol:

adicoto 5th April 2006 07:58 PM

We all hope many problems to be solved by the new release. But from experience I can tell you that a new release will bring more bugs than to solve old ones. Keep your fingers crossed, maybe your problem will be solved. Or, in short time, when the new release will became mature (and BSPlayer's team usually moves faster - remember RCs from ver 1 !!) and most of the problems posted by users will be solved.


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