I need help getting Ctrl-B (next chapter) to work!

[Cela]

Originally Posted by adicoto

You have a link ... with a small archive... Original file, txt and chf chapter files and one embedded chapters file. All working OK here with CTRL+B.

Phantastic! Thank you very much! You are a hero!

For me too, all working OK in Windows!
PLEASE, ASAP in Android!!!
The appended printscreen shows my results with BSplayer Pro Windows with these two files:
sample.mkv ... media file sample, NO embedded chapters
Sample.chf ... (sample/Sample ... filenames not case sensitive in Windows)
[CHAPTERS]
1=00:00:00.000 01 Live Show
2=00:00:16.760 02 Intro
3=00:00:35.320 03 Part1
4=00:00:44.240 04 Exit 1
5=00:00:55.560 05 The End
(My printsrcreen includes some remarks, questions and feature requests.)

Please explain the other files in the container:
Where did you use/extract this OGM style chapter file?
Sample.txt ... OGM chapter format
CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=Live Show
CHAPTER02=00:00:16.720
CHAPTER02NAME=Intro
CHAPTER03=00:00:35.320
CHAPTER03NAME=Part1

(In mkmerge Help, in "4.3.1. Simple/OGM style chapter files", it is called "simple" ?!
To me it is simpler than ugly HTML style format, but far away from easy readability.
To my eyes, CHF is much simpler: single line, much easier to read. CHF is only one step away from the desired reduction to a really simple text list. A list that contains nothing as the relevant information which is really needed.)

sample2.mkv ... same as 'sample.mkv' WITH embedded chapters
sample (1).mkv .. same media file sample WITH embedded chapters
Did you embed the chapters or were the chapters already embedded?

Originally Posted by adicoto

... printscreen of the embeded chapters. More than that, if I click on "chapter viewer" ... doesn't show pictures of the chapters, just grey boxes...

'Vizualizator' works for my CHF. For your sample.mkv I do not get grey boxes but the expected views of the chapter start frames. Since the drop down menu list works for your embedded chapters, 'Vizualizator' should also work for you. I guess you refer to another media file where the start frames are faded out.

Originally Posted by adicoto

I will install MKV merge and try to cut a portion of that show and post it for you or create a simple file. Also, that file is available in torrents, no payment needed.

I am looking forward to your results with mkvmerge. Espescially if you find it comfortable and easy to generate the embedded chapters for a chf shortlist like
00:00:00.000 01 Live Show
00:00:16.760 02 Intro
00:00:35.320 03 Part1
00:00:44.240 04 Exit 1
00:00:55.560 05 The End
if you had more than 5 chapters (The Eurovision Song Contest Final would easily need mor than 30 chapters to quickly access all highlights.)

Last night I installed mkvmergeGUI v6.2.0. In its F1 Help, "4. The chapter editor", seems the same as in my older v3.1.0 Jan 19 2010 version. To me, the chapter feature seems very powerful but complicated.

Originally Posted by adicoto

Also, that file is available in torrents, no payment needed.

I am not familiar with using torrents. My Internet Explorer even silently refused to download from your recent link. On my old XT machine I got a security question, which enabled the download.

I am looking forward to your mkvmerge test and to your BSplayer for Android test. I am still interested in a short section of your long file which should contain 2 or 3 original embedded chapters.

Thanks for your help and cooperation!

[adicoto]

1. Not much to understand from your screenshot as it's resolution is too low.

2. As for the files. Sample.mkv it's the original file (part of a torrent so I couldn't modify it-it generates errors in torrent file) and for this file I've made the CHF file to test. Sample 1 it's created with MKV Merge using the second chapter file (the one you asked about) the .txt file, as MKV Merge doesn't accept CHF files. That file was also writen by me. Originally saved as Sample 2. Should be the same file.

Chapters were embeded by me, weren't there in the original file. In android version I don't see the option to use chapters (I use the free version, I am not sure the PRO version have support for chapters), but, IIRC I read somwhere on the forum [Feature request] Chapter Feature (.chf) please that the developpement team consider this option.

[Cela]

Originally Posted by adicoto

1. Not much to understand from your screenshot as it's resolution is too low.

Sorry. forum.bsplayer.com reduced significantly size and resolution: from 430KB before upload down to 108,1KB after upload (~400%)!
Tomorrow I will split the screenshot in an upper and a lower half and hope that the upload to this forum will not kill as much space and resolution.

Originally Posted by adicoto

2. As for the files. Sample.mkv it's the original file (part of a torrent so I couldn't modify it-it generates errors in torrent file) and for this file I've made the CHF file to test. Sample 1 it's created with MKV Merge using the second chapter file (the one you asked about) the .txt file, as MKV Merge doesn't accept CHF files. That file was also writen by me. Originally saved as Sample 2. Should be the same file.
Chapters were embeded by me, weren't there in the original file.

OK, you translated the CHF file to OGM format and fed it into MKV Merge to embed it into the original mkv file which did not come with embedded chapters.
You did not use (try out) the "4.4 Creating chapter files" of MKV merge as documented in F1 Help "4. The chapter editor".
Would be interesting if you did and how you would like this chapter editor.

Originally Posted by adicoto

...In android version I don't see the option to use chapters (I use the free version, I am not sure the PRO version have support for chapters)...

There is also NO option NOR are there controls to use chapters in BSPlayer Pro Android v1.9 Build 151 (the newest version at the time of writing these lines).
BSPlayer Pro Android claims to be the "top hardware accelerated video player for Android smartphones and tablet PCs". Today it only is a "top" player lacking chapter support. It even does not support its own invention, its own CHF chapters which its already supporting in Windows for over ten years! It's hard to believe, but it's true!
Therefore, my urgent feature requests to support its own CHF feature ASAP!

By the way, I found two other "top" Android player apps which support sort of simplified CHF-like chapter variants. Probably there are even more.
Both players call chapters bookmarks and have a simple bookmark menu (comparable to BSplayer Windows chapter menu list). Instead of the better readable hh:mm:ss.msf time format both apps use milliseconds as time units and their own separator between timecode and text:
<milliseconds><separator><text>
Example:
sample.mkv
sample.bkm ... mVideo Player (needs ; as <separator>)
0;01 Live Show
16760;02 Intro
35320;03 Part1
44240;04 Exit 1
55560;05 The End

sample.mkv.bkm ... Act1 Video Player (needs <ht> horizontal tab as <separator>)
0<ht>01 Live Show
16760<ht>02 Intro
35320<ht>03 Part1
44240<ht>04 Exit 1
55560<ht>05 The End
(Note: If you copy these lines then each <ht> needs to be replaced by horizontal tab! Reason: In this forum (in all forums?) all tab characters get lost (are auto converted into a single space!))

I prefer hh:mm:ss.msf timecode and dislike milliseconds! And I would prefer the first space per line as separator!

I would prefer to stay with BSplayer Android if it had CHF support! Then I could use the same CHF in windows and in Android!

[adicoto]

I did not use chapter editor in MKV merge, just written manually the file. But it's kind of the same thing.

[Cela]

Originally Posted by adicoto

I did not use chapter editor in MKV merge, just written manually the file. But it's kind of the same thing.

The result may be the same, but I doubt the "kind of the same thing" part. The descripton in chapter 4 of MKV Merge F1 Help sounds far more complicated!

Originally Posted by adicoto

... My file, my friend, is an MKV with embeded chapters and it's working fine. It's not my creation, it's just downloaded from internet...

How about a small part from this file? Just a chunck with 2 or 3 chapters. Would be interesting to analyze the embedding. Could you please upload a sample chunck from this file?

Originally Posted by adicoto

1. Not much to understand from your screenshot as it's resolution is too low....

I splitted the screenshot in two parts, an upper and a lower part. I hope that the upload to this forum will not kill as much space and resolution.

These are the findings which the screenshot(s) should document and visualize.

Sceenshot "CHF_Example_A.jpg"
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It is the upper half of the combined screenshot of the earlier posting.
The screenshot refers to playig "sample.mkv" (1) with "Sample.chf" (2) in the same Windows directory.
The media file "sample.mkv" does not contain any embedded chapters. But BSplayer Pro for Windows searches in the directory of the media file for a file named like the media file with extension ".chf" instead of the media extension: "sample.chf" (same filename, not case sensitive). To get acceptedit has to fulfill certain format requirements. If Yes, then BSplayer uses the contained CHF chapter information for chapter navigation.
The following 'screenshot tutorial' also holds for embedded chapters (tested with OGM type chapters embedded with MKV Merge).

The Bsplayer for Windos CHF chapter feature offers some fine options:
1. NEXT Ctrl+B >> and << PREV Ctrl+Y GUI icon and keyboard shortcut navigation
Ctrl+Z with DE (German) keyboard, is it Ctrl+Z with for EN (US) keyboard?
<< >> GUI controls are available in BSplayer.v1 skin. Which other skins?
2. Chapter menu (text list):
> right mouse click to get BSplayer's Options menu,
> halfway down, put mouse pointer over Chapters (or Kapitel or equivalent in your language)
> then the Chaptermenu text list will be display (a list of the CHF chapter texts)
> click on a chapter text entry to jump to the start frame of that chapter
If BSplayer did not find a valid CHF file, it opens an Open file window that allows to search for *.chf file types.
> Chapter Viewer: The chapter menu list ends with an option Viewer (or equiv. in your language).
Sceenshot "CHF_Example_B.jpg":
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It is the lower half of the combined screenshot of the earlier posting.

Chapter Viewer:
The graphical DVD/BD-like chapter menu can be accessed in two ways.
> from the Chapter menu (text list) as shown above, or by
> Ctrl+C keyboard shortcut, the quick way. (That's why Ctrl+C in BSplayer is not available as keyboard shortcut for COPY; use right mouseclick option instead!). BSplayer can take a few seconds to generate the chapter icons.
The Chapter viewer shows the start frame of each chapter at chapter start time. The chapter icon should represent the chapter. Though the chapter start frame is often faded and/or not typical for the chapter. Chapter text is in each icon's upper left corner. It is unreadably small! Readable charactersize and better placement of chapter text is needed in the graphical chapter menu!

Summary of Feature requests resulting from this example
(CHF_Example_A, CHF_Example_B screenshots):
* Controls in Skins: which skins have these controls?
<< PREV, NEXT >> ?
Chapters menu text list ?
Chapter Viewer ?

* Keyboard shortcuts:
Chapter menu text list ?
 Options drop down menu ?

* Chapter Viewer:
Readable textsize for chapter text
Option to select mid-chapter frame as chapter icon frame (as found in multiAVCHD),
(especially useful for concert recordings)

* Handling of longer chapter lists with many chapters?
Chapter menu text list ?
Chapter Viewer ?

* "Top" player needs "Top" Guides and Manuals!
Features Guide, User's Guide, F1 Help, YouTube video tutorials, etc. !!!

* "Top" player for Android needs chapter feature ASAP!

I am sure, the time you and I spent to prepare these postings here is far beyond the time a BSplayer programmer would have needed to transfer the respective codes from Windows to Android version to provide the CHF feature in BSplayer for Android!

I strongly hope that you, as moderator and BS.Player Master, will use your influence, PLEASE , to get the CHF feature in Android BSplayer going. It is a small task for the BSplayer programmer(s) but an important step to top the "Top" ranking!

It would make me happy and stop me writing long postings!


Thank you so much for your important help!

[adicoto]

My friend, even if this forum states I am "BSPlayer Master" I am just a simple user like you are, trying to help people who come to this forum with questions. So, I am afraid my "influence" is somewhere around zero point :)
But, Ico-Man, who is the liason with the programmers read this forum and transmits the main concens to the programmers. So, as he stated in an earlyer post, chapter support for android is on the TODO list. Now it's just a matter of patience.

[Cela]

You are not only a "BSPlayer Master", to me, you are a "Hero of BSplayer Universe".
The conversation with you taught me a lot undocumented facts about this versatile program and was important help!
Thank you very much!

I hope that Ico-Man reads our conversation. He may freely use my findings summaries screenshots for a future F1 Help or a future User's Guide).

One last item:
Again, refering #5:

Originally Posted by adicoto

... My file ... is an MKV with embeded chapters and it's working fine. It's not my creation, it's just downloaded from internet...

How about a small part from this file? Just a chunck with 2 or 3 chapters. Would be interesting to analyze the embedding. Could you please upload a sample chunck from this file? (refering #11, #13)
PLEASE!

Edit:
P.S.
Just tested extracting embedded chapters from mediafile.mkv
using Chapters Extraction with MKVExtractGUI2
MKVExtractGUI-2 | Free software downloads at SourceForge.net
1. Drop media_file into Input File.
2. Tag Chapters.
3. Select Chapters format: ogm -> get media_file.ogm
4. Select Chapters format: xml -> get media_file.xml

results for your sample2.mkv (after copy/paste into a notepad text file):

simple list
00:00:00.000 Live Show
00:00:16.720 Intro
00:00:35.320 Part1
 
chf
[CHAPTERS]
1=00:00:00.000 Live Show
2=00:00:16.720 Intro
3=00:00:35.320 Part1
 
ogm
CHAPTER01=00:00:00.000
CHAPTER01NAME=Live Show
CHAPTER02=00:00:16.720
CHAPTER02NAME=Intro
CHAPTER03=00:00:35.320
CHAPTER03NAME=Part1
 
xml
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!-- <!DOCTYPE Chapters SYSTEM "matroskachapters.dtd"> -->
-<Chapters> -<EditionEntry> -<ChapterAtom> <ChapterUID>9141465354991259573</ChapterUID> <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:00.000000000</ChapterTimeStart> -<ChapterDisplay> <ChapterString>Live Show</ChapterString> <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage> </ChapterDisplay> </ChapterAtom> -<ChapterAtom> <ChapterUID>17829219263264052865</ChapterUID> <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:16.720000000</ChapterTimeStart> -<ChapterDisplay> <ChapterString>Intro</ChapterString> <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage> </ChapterDisplay> </ChapterAtom> -<ChapterAtom> <ChapterUID>4750944468411959174</ChapterUID> <ChapterTimeStart>00:00:35.320000000</ChapterTimeStart> -<ChapterDisplay> <ChapterString>Part1</ChapterString> <ChapterLanguage>und</ChapterLanguage> </ChapterDisplay> </ChapterAtom> <EditionUID>3977143588776185984</EditionUID> </EditionEntry> </Chapters>

(xml file looks better, i.e. structured, in an internet browser)

Instead of uploading a chunck from the file refring in #5, #11, #13 you may prefer to let MKVExtractGUI2
extract the ogm and xml versions of the embedded chapters and append the *.ogm und *.xml files?